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    MDIN2009 said:

    Greenbook

    Here is a great post on what is Green book.

    Quote Originally Posted by Clinical Director View Post
    It is very difficult to define Green Book Rotations as many states have different criteria in order to recognize IMG rotations done in the U.S. The word "Green Book" comes from the book called "Green Book", which is the paper version of www.acgme.org. This is where all ACGME approved residency programs are listed. You can access the greenbook online for free here: ACGME Accredited Program and Institutional Listing - Public Access

    The most important thing you should be concerned about is licensure and the ability to practice medicine (not just residency) in the U.S. For this reason, we have formulated the following definition:

    Green Book Rotations – unofficial - are clinical clerkships conducted in a hospital with at least one residency program, or one of their satellite clinics, or in a facility with an ACGME listed affiliation with a medical school that offers that residency (since they will most likely send those residents and their medical students to their affiliate sites). The same teaching institution’s GME office, or a representative of the GME office for the non-LCME program must document and supervise these very same rotations. Students must have officially been accepted at that institution prior to rotation start date, gone through orientation, and carry appropriate identification. Personally setting up rotation with attending, even those who are employed by residency programs, will not guarantee “rotation verification” for IMG licensure. Many states (i.e. Georgia) require this for both Cores and Electives... so its safe to account for all rotations. For example, Greenville Hospital, a minor affiliate of X School of Medicine who rotates their Psychiatry residents and students at Greenville Hospital, AND who will verify your rotations (not just the attending signature on evaluation) will suffice for most clinical rotation criteria section of IMG licensure.

    Certainly, there are variations to this definitions and parameters. However, we at GMC have expanded and propose to change the term of "Greenbook Rotations" to "Verifiable Rotations". In 2005, there are 19 states that will qualify IMG rotations done in the U.S., and most-all will want to see the GME/MSO's seal and verification of the rotation. Basically, if the hospital doesn't officially know you're there, they won't seal and verify the rotation.

    You might have also heard about Blue Book Rotations – unofficial; we speculate this to refer to conducting any core or elective rotation in a hospital who possesses the ACGME status for a Family Practice residency program. This is for the IMG to practice medicine in the not-so-difficult states. Once again, this is used by only a couple of caribbean medical schools.

    Hope this helps. Feel free to contact me with any questons that you might have.
    Dr. Mizani
    Clinical Director
    GMCGroup
    The Greater Medical Center Dedicated to International Medical Students and Graduates
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    MDIN2009 said:
    States that require all core be Green book:

    [quote=Junito;225323]Here is a list from the PPt lecture given by Dr. G as to which states require all ACGME ("Green") core rotations:

    Alabama

    Arkansas

    California

    Conneticut

    DC

    Delaware

    Florida

    Georgia

    Kentucky

    Maine

    Massachusetts

    New Jersey

    New York*

    Oklahoma

    Oregon

    Pennsylvania

    Texas

    Virginia

    * Only rotations done in the state of New York must be completed in ACGME or AOA approved programs.
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  3. 9JA said:
    clinical rotations of windsor are they done in green book hospitals?
     
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    MDIN2009 said:
    How to search if a program is Green Book?

    Use the following link and search by institution or by clinical program is listed as Green Book.


    ACGME


    FREIDA site that lists residency programs. You can see by state or institution if a Hospital has a Residency program in a particular specialty. If it does than it is considered Green book.

    FREIDA



    States Medical Boards ( call or e-mail them to see what their Green book requirements are.

    Medical Boards
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    MDIN2009 said:
    Yes, Please read the other clinical forum threads.

    Quote Originally Posted by 9JA View Post
    clinical rotations of windsor are they done in green book hospitals?
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  6. 9JA said:
    thxk am happy to hear that they are green books
    and plz can someone get surgery residence after graduating from Windsor
     
  7. Fry said:
    Quote Originally Posted by MDIN2009 View Post
    Yes, Please read the other clinical forum threads.

    Yes - 100%??

    Why is it that I have now spoken two 5+ students whom have all rotated through non-greenbook rotations? This school HAS greenbook spots and I"m not going to argue that point, but the fact is, there are not enough for all students.
     
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    MDIN2009 said:
    Before we start...I need more info about the 5 students you talked to.

    1. Did they take the USMLE?

    2. If they did what did they score?

    3. Why did they do the rotation if they knew they were not Green book?
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  9. Fry said:
    3 passed (1 on first attempt, 2 on 2nd attempts)
    2 have not passed on both attempts.

    So three should have got GB right?

    I dont know their scores, they were offered what was available.

    I'm just posting what I know and not what was "heard" or what is "assumed"
     
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    MDIN2009 said:
    So..out of five (5+ students) only three have passed. And out of that only one on the first try. So we will keep this discussion to the three rather than the five. I would like you ask them what their scores where. I have been reading on the forum that low scores do not get you the best rotations. By best meaning Green book. This is true at MUA and other Caribbean schools.

    Now, regarding my third question why would they do a rotation if it's not green book? Did they know that they can look up what Green book rotations are via the ACGME site?


    On the other two....
    I would never expect the students that have not taken their USMLE step 1 to be allowed into the green book rotations. I can't think of one attending that will want someone who has not taken the USMLE. Plus did they even get to do a Clerkship or just an Observership? Most schools in the Caribbean will allow you to take only the PSYC rotation with out taking the Step 1. And they would never let you do any additional rotations if you have not passed Step 1.
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