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New York: Clinicals, Residency and Licensure as a Windsor Grad

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  1. MatCFAMD said:

    New York: Clinicals, Residency and Licensure as a Windsor Grad

    What do you mean Windsor students can't do any rotation in New York?

    As a school, Windsor is not in the approved list of schools that can send its students to do clerkships that exceed 12 weeks spread over two-academic years.

    To say that Windsor students can't do rotation in New York at all is not the proper way to say it. They can, but not to exceed 12 weeks.

    Only those students from the schools in the approved list can do full-time clerkships in New York. Also Not being in this list does not reflect the quality of medical education coming from those schools. This list includes only 13 medical schools who established some affiliations with teaching hospitals, and these schools are the only schools outside USA and Canada that can send their students to the State of New York and be able to do clerkships and rotations the total length of which can aggreggate to exceed 12 weeks over a two-academic-year period.

    So, when you talk about the New York approval, that's for clerkships that can exceed 12 weeks. "not exceeding 12 weeks" is the key here. This is strictly reinforced. Here are the 13 schools that are in the approved list.

    American University of Antigua, Antigua
    American University of the Caribbean, St. Martin, Netherland Antilles
    The Autonomous University of Guadalajara, Guadalajara, Mexico
    English Language Program, University of Debrecen, Medical and Health Science Center, Medical School, Debrecen, Hungary
    English Language Program, Medical University of Lublin, Lublin, Poland
    English Language Program, Medical University of Silesia, Katowice, Poland
    Fatima College of Medicine, Manila, Philippines
    International Health and Medicine Program, Ben Gurion University of the Negrev, Beer-Sheva, Israel
    Kasturba Medical College, Manipal, India
    Medical University of the Americas/Nevis, Nevis, West Indies
    Ross University School of Medicine, Roseau, Dominica
    Saba University School of Medicine, Saba, Netherland Antilles
    St. George's University School of Medicine, St. George's, Grenada
    St. Matthew's University School of Medicine, Grand Cayman, Cayman Islands

    Now, not being in this list does not imply the quality of your school's medical education is sub par. This list is not intended to serve that purpose. Okay? This list merely includes those schools that did apply to the State of New York to send their students for full time clerkships, and were approved. It is for that purpose that this list exists. For a school to apply to be in the list, there are a lot of money involved, resources, so not only the quality of the school.

    Also, this list is not the eligibility list to do residency in New York. As a Windsor student, you are not ineligible to do postgraduate training in New York. You become ineligible, however, if you spend more than 12 weeks of clerkships outside the country where your medical school is located.

    For Licensure:
    So if you desire to be licensed in New York, as a Windsor student, you can be, regardless whether you did your residency or not in the State of New York. Your postgraduate training must be ACGME-accredited, and if you spent more than 12 weeks of clerkship outside the country where your medical school is located, you must document each of those rotations, using Form 2CC.

    For Residency:
    If you desire to do your postgraduate training in the State of New York, to be eligible, you cannot exceed 12 weeks clerkship outside the country where your school is located. Options are to spend clerkships in St. Kitts and maximum 12 weeks in the US to be eligible to enter match for and accept postgraduate programs offered located in State of New York; or do all rotations in the US (but not all rotations in the state of New York, for Windsor students, max is 12 weeks) but you cannot accept postgraduate training offered in State of New York. The reason here is because you spend more than 12 weeks of clerkship outside the country where your medical school is chartered and accredited. This rule applies to all foreign medical schools outside USA and Canada, not only to Windsor. Students from schools in the 'approved list' can spend more than 12 weeks of clerkship, however, and still remain eligible to apply for residency in the State of New York.

    So, very briefly, Windsor students
    -- are allowed only the maximum 12 weeks of clinical rotations in the State of New York;
    -- as eligible as any IMED-medical school grad to apply for residency in the State of NY provided the 12 weeks limit for rotations outside his/her country is not exceeded;
    -- and can be licensed as any IMED-medical school grad in the State of NY (subject to other requirements relevant to the school, and to the student in particular).

    If you are licensed in a state other than the state of new york, you can also apply for licensure subject to other requirements, and may or may need to complete additional year of postgraduate training.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott1981 View Post
    windsor is not approved in new york for clinical rotations. windsor grads ARE eligible for residency and licensure in new york.
     
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    MDIN2009 said:

    30% of residency spots in NY

    I have seen that 30% number thrown around for a while and I want to clarify. I have not seen any data to back it up... so I will give you a sample of what my research has turned up.

    Total # of IM (PGY1) spots 2009 Match;

    NY: 1159

    CA: 710

    PA: 425

    IL: 426


    Total number of FM spots (2009):

    NY : 97

    CA: 280

    PA: 128

    IL: 137

    So as you can see that number varies per specialty... But they do not have 30% of the TOTAL IM spots or FM spots...for that matter any other. If you are comparing NY vs CA then may be...but most people don't apply to just one state for residency.

    DATA from NMRP.
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  3. Baadshah said:
    Yeap. It explains a lot.
     
  4. md_neel's Avatar

    md_neel said:
    Thanks for the very best explanation !!!!
     
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    Future Dr.Dewar said:
    Great explanation.thanks..but was wondering if i could get a link for the information regarding the 12 weeks outside the country of med school.... I mean i found it only in one of the newyork hospitals residency application requirements...couldnt find it anywhere else....
     
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    ChinaMedStudent said:
    thanks for the info

    this may be a stupid question but if the 5th sem is done in the USA, wouldnt that make the US a "country where the school is located"?
     
  7. gsxtreme1987 said:
    I was told by a current student at carbondale, that Windsor is getting acredited at New york in december.
     
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    kryptik said:
    Quote Originally Posted by ChinaMedStudent View Post
    thanks for the info

    this may be a stupid question but if the 5th sem is done in the USA, wouldnt that make the US a "country where the school is located"?
    nope, the 5th is more of a prep for usmle, just like doing clinicals in the US doesnt mean the school is in the US
     
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    Future Dr.Dewar said:
    Quote Originally Posted by gsxtreme1987 View Post
    I was told by a current student at carbondale, that Windsor is getting acredited at New york in december.
    Ya i heard that too..probably after the administration building is up and running....
     
  10. fm79 said:
    i have a question that means if you do your clinicals in the US entirely you cant get a NY residency. THe only hope is to get licensed in another state and then transfer your license to NY?
     
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